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Trump Blames Wildfires On Poor Forest Management. Biden Focuses On Climate Change


President Trump says the solution for fires in the West is simple; the answer is better forest management. Trump visited California today as the state's largest fire in recorded history continues to burn. He refused to link the fires to climate change, while his Democratic challenger, Joe Biden, made that connection right away. NPR White House correspondent Tamara Keith joins me now with more.

Hi, Tam.


PFEIFFER: Would you walk us through what the president had to say about this today?

KEITH: So let's just say that President Trump really was not there to talk about climate change and how it might be contributing to natural disasters. He was there to do what President Trump typically does in the face of a natural disaster, which is probably one of the most traditionally presidential things he does. He cheered on the firefighters and first responders. He held a ceremony to honor the California National Guard troops responsible for that harrowing rescue by air of the campers trapped by wildfires. And he thanked FEMA for their work. He got a briefing on the status of the fires.

And then he talked about something that he seems to bring up every time there is a major wildfire, which is his theories about fire prevention. He says that when the trees get very dry, they can just explode. And he says that there are dry leaves on the ground of the forest and that they need to be swept up or taken out and that you could prevent fires from being so bad if you cleaned the forests better. He's often tried to blame California for this, though most of the state's forested land is on federal and private property.

And he got a little bit of an earful from California politicians - the governor, Gavin Newsom, and also the state's Natural Resources secretary, Wade Crowfoot, who said that he was ignoring a big part of the story - climate change. Crowfoot pressed him on it and said, sure, we agree on forest management - that it needs to be better, but that isn't the whole story - which led to quite an exchange.


WADE CROWFOOT: If we ignore that science and sort of put our head in the sand and think it's all about vegetation management, we're not going to succeed together protecting Californians.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: OK. It'll start getting cooler. You just watch.

CROWFOOT: I wish science agreed with you.


TRUMP: Well, I don't think science knows, actually.

KEITH: For President Trump, this is very on brand. He pulled out of the Paris climate accord. He says that efforts to try to address climate change are a mistake that will hurt the economy. And President Trump clearly sees this as a political winner, especially in states like Pennsylvania and Texas that have large fossil fuel industries.

PFEIFFER: What was the response from Joe Biden?

KEITH: Well, he went straight to the idea that these fires and other disasters are connected to climate change. In his remarks, he drew those connections to the hurricanes, the hurricane headed towards Louisiana. And he criticized President Trump for not listening to scientists, saying that that's putting Americans at risk.


JOE BIDEN: If you give a climate arsonist four more years in the White House, why would anyone be surprised if we have more of America ablaze? If you give a climate denier four more years in the White House, why would anyone be surprised when more of America is underwater?

KEITH: And what Biden knows here is that Democratic voters care a lot about climate change, especially young Democratic voters that he needs to motivate.

PFEIFFER: Major difference between these two men out there, as you said very clearly today. That's NPR's White House correspondent Tamara Keith.

Tam, thank you.

KEITH: You're welcome. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.

Tamara Keith has been a White House correspondent for NPR since 2014 and co-hosts the NPR Politics Podcast, the top political news podcast in America. Keith has chronicled the Trump administration from day one, putting this unorthodox presidency in context for NPR listeners, from early morning tweets to executive orders and investigations. She covered the final two years of the Obama presidency, and during the 2016 presidential campaign she was assigned to cover Hillary Clinton. In 2018, Keith was elected to serve on the board of the White House Correspondents' Association.